Episode#:12 Shaun Boyce and Bobby Schindler
ATP Bonus Episode: “Germans aren’t funny”
Shaun and Bobby talk to Rich Neher about how the Indian Wells professional WTA/ATP event could teach Atlanta a thing or two. Rich tells some stories and if anyone has access to a video (I’ll accept audio only) of Rich doing stand up comedy, please contact me at [email protected]
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Transcript
Welcome to the Atlanta Tennis Podcast.
Speaker:Every episode is titled, "It starts with tennis and goes from there."
Speaker:We talk with coaches, club managers, industry business professionals, technology experts,
Speaker:and anyone else we find interesting.
Speaker:We want to have a conversation as long as it starts with tennis.
Speaker:Hey, hey, this is Sean with the Atlanta Tennis Podcast.
Speaker:Today's clip comes from Rich Nayer, who tells us a couple of stories, talks about ATP events
Speaker:and tries to convince us that Germans aren't funny.
Speaker:Have a listen.
Speaker:We've been talking recently about the Atlanta event.
Speaker:If we were to compare the Indian wells of the Atlanta event, we wouldn't really have to put
Speaker:in much argument as to which one is more successful.
Speaker:So we want to say, "Hat we take what's going on aside from the infinite resources," because
Speaker:that's always an issue.
Speaker:Try to take some of the ideas from the Indian wells event.
Speaker:And your point of view from there to say, "Have you looked at the Atlanta event at any point
Speaker:said, "Oh, you know what?
Speaker:Here are some ways you guys could have brute."
Speaker:And now, for these types of events, it's all about money.
Speaker:Money, money, how much money can you invest in an event?"
Speaker:I remember the WTA, CEO Steve Simon, was the tournament director at the B&B Paribar
Speaker:for many, many years.
Speaker:And I remember a press conference where he and the president, Ray Moore, were talking about the
Speaker:event.
Speaker:This was in 2001 to say 2017 or so.
Speaker:And Ray Moore reported that the year before the ATP were coming to them for meeting, and they
Speaker:said, "We have plans for your tournament."
Speaker:And here are the plans.
Speaker:We'll turn it from two weeks into one week, make it a men's only tournament, and the women can
Speaker:play somewhere else.
Speaker:And everyone was shocked.
Speaker:Everyone was shocked.
Speaker:And Larry Ellison's idea reply was, "Over my dead body, we will now put $100 million into
Speaker:this event.
Speaker:Let's see what they say then."
Speaker:That's what they did.
Speaker:They put a lot of money in it, build another stadium, and improve the so much that people are
Speaker:calling for it to be the fifth grand slam now.
Speaker:So it's money that talks.
Speaker:If there's money available in Atlanta, this thing will flourish.
Speaker:Or can flourish.
Speaker:If there's no money available, it will stay small.
Speaker:So where is he applying the money?
Speaker:So where is he putting the money that people could sit there and say, "Okay, this is not,
Speaker:we're not getting, because it always comes down well, if we were higher, if we weren't a 250,
Speaker:we would get higher players."
Speaker:So what we're throwing that out saying, "It's really the fan experience of where they put
Speaker:the resources to enhance the fan experience away from the idea of just making the players
Speaker:be the salespeople."
Speaker:Well, the players, of course, he uped the player money tremendously.
Speaker:But the fan experience started with the facility, he improved the facility.
Speaker:It looks totally different now than it did 10 years ago.
Speaker:He added another stadium.
Speaker:He once actually, the plans are to add a resource hotel on the premises.
Speaker:I think they bought the neighboring property with the church.
Speaker:I think they bought that property and relocated that church.
Speaker:So it's facility improvements in improvements in many other areas, like, for instance, the
Speaker:food and beverage area.
Speaker:It comes, of course, with something I'm not going to write about this in the mid-month issue
Speaker:of tennis club business that's coming out in two days.
Speaker:It comes with a one-negative.
Speaker:The prices have gone up.
Speaker:If you want to park your car far away from the stadium, you paid $25 for the parking, then you
Speaker:have to walk.
Speaker:The food, don't think you can get any inexpensive food, anymore.
Speaker:Because I had a, I had a not-so-everage, it was a fish, some fish thing.
Speaker:And it was $19.
Speaker:The beer, if I had the beer with it, it would cost me another $15 for the beer.
Speaker:So, and the water, the bottle of water, was $6.
Speaker:So it comes with some negatives, no doubt about it.
Speaker:I always, all my life, I have lamented the cost of tennis in this country.
Speaker:And it's not only the cost of playing on a league or anywhere on your tournament.
Speaker:And it's the cost of going to a big event.
Speaker:But I hear now that the pickle bottle is doing the same now.
Speaker:The cost is going up so much.
Speaker:It's unbelievable.
Speaker:You want to play in the US Open Pickable as an amateur beer where the registration fee is $250.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:They're doing the same thing.
Speaker:I don't know, why did I start with pickle bottle?
Speaker:It's different, but you're right.
Speaker:I mean, they're trying to, they're rushing it.
Speaker:And they should probably, that should be keeping hoping here is from a standpoint of a club.
Speaker:Don't make all the same mistakes, tennis made.
Speaker:Well, you know, here, tennis is so free that pickle bottle has some maneuverability where they don't
Speaker:have to overcharge to make any money because people do need the facilities.
Speaker:So it could be a win win for everybody.
Speaker:Don't blow your opportunity.
Speaker:So it sounds, which is what you start seeing the lights and start seeing the opportunity for professional
Speaker:events.
Speaker:You got to up the money a little bit to get the athletes that you think are going to compete.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:On the know, do you want to know the second unpoplished mission statement of Congress Sports?
Speaker:You know the first one, right?
Speaker:We will be times better than the USTA.
Speaker:It's the first unpoplished mission statement.
Speaker:The second one, we will not play pickle bottle and as long as I own this company, we will
Speaker:never have pickle bottle in it.
Speaker:We are taking it.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:So much for unbiased journalists.
Speaker:Well, I like pickle bottle.
Speaker:Don't get me wrong.
Speaker:I don't play it.
Speaker:I have played it.
Speaker:I don't play it.
Speaker:There's no one in my area that plays pickle bottle.
Speaker:And frankly, don't have time to start playing with other groups.
Speaker:I have my own tennis group for 25 years now.
Speaker:And that's that's fine.
Speaker:They like the way I set up their matches.
Speaker:But I have no problem with pickle bottle except for the fact that they should get their
Speaker:own damn courts.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:But I don't have any other beef at pickle bottle.
Speaker:Many of my friends are pickle bottleers.
Speaker:And I like the fact that they are out there playing instead of sitting on the couch and complaining
Speaker:about tennis.
Speaker:That's going to be a meme we do with riches.
Speaker:Rich is head.
Speaker:No, no, it's fine.
Speaker:Many of my favorite people are pickle bottleers.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I can still like you.
Speaker:I've been in the desert when I stay in the desert for the B&P.
Speaker:I stay with a good friend of mine every year.
Speaker:And she is a pickle bottle coach.
Speaker:And she's one of the, one of the first pickle ball coaches and players in the entire
Speaker:Coachella Belly Desert area.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But pickle bottle, no pickle bottle for Congress Sports or no pickle bottle for cities lands.
Speaker:No pickle bone for Congar Sports and Cities Lines.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Now, just no pickle bottle is just not what you do.
Speaker:Or because like you said, you're not anti pickle ball.
Speaker:You just, that's not what you do.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I'm a low hanging fruit and our expertise and isn't tennis.
Speaker:And if I sell the company in 10 years or so and it will and the new owner will do pickle
Speaker:ball fine.
Speaker:No problem.
Speaker:Maybe I'll be playing pickle ball by then.
Speaker:So you and I will be living in Ecuador by then.
Speaker:Yes, Ecuador.
Speaker:That's the country to to live in.
Speaker:We're going to be in Quinka with our own pickle ball court.
Speaker:We will take over the tennis courts and we'll be the ones painting the lines, taking over
Speaker:the courts there.
Speaker:So when Ecuador will you be, I'll be in the area between Viacil and the ocean somewhere.
Speaker:Maybe at the ocean on the ocean.
Speaker:So toward, I was named that town west of Viacil, starts with an S with a lino, some fileness.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Fileness.
Speaker:We've got family in Keto and in Viacil.
Speaker:I think most of the family now in Viacil in Sembottoon just outside when there's suburbs.
Speaker:And we've looked at the weather.
Speaker:We've looked at places we want to be.
Speaker:We're connected with my stepdaughter.
Speaker:It is the executive director of a nonprofit called the Promise Project.
Speaker:And they are targeting helping kids with kids in the Andes in an area called it's near
Speaker:Rheabamba.
Speaker:It's called Kadaha Bamba.
Speaker:A little bit west of O'Banios, which might be a place that others have heard of, which is why
Speaker:I'm giving directions.
Speaker:But we would be considering near there and that's kind of a place that maybe halfway between
Speaker:Keto and Viacil.
Speaker:So kind of in the middle of the country there in the Andes region.
Speaker:So we might want to be close to that as well if we have to have to pick a spot.
Speaker:Well, you're picking the right area south of Keto is where you have to be everything else
Speaker:that they are strong, a travel advisory to see at the moment to go north.
Speaker:If you go closer to Columbia exactly.
Speaker:But I think I like your timing of 10 years from now.
Speaker:We're pushing on go 10s.
Speaker:We're pushing on the podcast.
Speaker:We'll get city slams here.
Speaker:We'll be killing it.
Speaker:And then we'll do one event where everybody, it's a million dollars to take it.
Speaker:We'll do one event just like Steve Martin said.
Speaker:One show, goodbye.
Speaker:You know, I did one stand up comedy once in Hollywood.
Speaker:I just one night and my presentation was the funniest in the whole day.
Speaker:Evening I got the most laughs and it was called Germans are not funny.
Speaker:I would I would pay good money to have that tape restored.
Speaker:I even had a heck of a he was better than me.
Speaker:So you said you wanted to talk about the tournament as well.
Speaker:We don't talk about pro tour WTA, TPP very often here.
Speaker:Much less of what California is doing.
Speaker:But you're a friend of the show and a friend would go tennis.
Speaker:We want to know what's going on with you and what you're doing.
Speaker:Because at some point we'd love to plug some of that in here in Atlanta.
Speaker:Did you have something interesting about the tournament that's going on right now?
Speaker:We don't usually have a professional tournament segment.
Speaker:But is there something on your mind you wanted to want to chat about?
Speaker:There's some anecdotes.
Speaker:Okay. I've been going there for over 20 years and I remember in 2000 I think it was in 2002.
Speaker:I had this group in San Diego called the San Diego tennis network.
Speaker:250 players coming together four times a week and I arranged all those matches for them.
Speaker:I called it drop in tennis.
Speaker:And so one day I said let's go to Indian Wells and drive up to Indian Wells for a day of fun.
Speaker:And why not carpool to Indian Wells?
Speaker:So we had 11 people interested and we met at the Bobby Rick's tennis club in Incinitas and to leave our cars there.
Speaker:And we ended up driving in nine cars.
Speaker:That's not much of a carpool for a life.
Speaker:That was my little scoffle.
Speaker:That was something California,
Speaker:Chinese players they liked cars.
Speaker:They don't want to keep them up and drive with anyone else.
Speaker:Atlanta we can relate.
Speaker:You can relate.
Speaker:At another time in 2011 I think there's another anecdote.
Speaker:I had participated in a collection of use tennis balls for a company that does that they have these
Speaker:cookers these machines that repressurize use tennis balls.
Speaker:I forgot the name of the company.
Speaker:I'm Nebraska I think.
Speaker:So they had this competition.
Speaker:If you ship the most used tennis balls for free by the way they provided the shipping labels
Speaker:to their facility in Nebraska, the first price was 16 tickets for you and your best friends for an
Speaker:entire day in the B&B Pariva luxury suite.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:The second price was 8 tickets and the third price was 4 tickets.
Speaker:I didn't know where I was in the standings.
Speaker:I started collecting not only from friends but I started collecting through social media.
Speaker:I incentivized my tennis pro friends telling them if you,
Speaker:the ones who send in the most balls for me they will get two tickets to this thing.
Speaker:So two days before the event the number one was a tennis facility owner in Long Beach.
Speaker:She had three tennis facilities and she was sure she was the winner.
Speaker:She communicated to the organizer and knew she was the way you had of everyone else.
Speaker:2000 balls ahead of me.
Speaker:So I didn't know that because I didn't ever ask them where was I.
Speaker:I thought I would never win this thing anyways.
Speaker:But this weekend two days before that Monday I started another campaign and drove around in my little
Speaker:Kia soul on collect the tennis balls and I collected two and a half thousand tennis balls that we
Speaker:can and ship them.
Speaker:So I won the whole thing and the second and the third place they couldn't believe that someone who doesn't
Speaker:have a court or doesn't have a club with cofits would ever win this thing.
Speaker:So 15 of my 15 of my best friends were enjoying a day of luxury.
Speaker:We had our own sushi chef, our woman walking behind us with the champagne bottle to refill the glasses
Speaker:whenever we needed to.
Speaker:So that was the best thing that ever happened in Indian Wells for me.
Speaker:Besides one other thing the tennis director of Indian Wells, Tom Fai, who passed away two years ago.
Speaker:He had a he was very popular and he had a tournament, he organized during the Indian Wells masters
Speaker:1000 and it was for a try level league players.
Speaker:At the time 2009 2010, try level was started by the USDA in many or all of the sections, but they
Speaker:didn't have a national path to championship.
Speaker:So this guy took it upon himself to create a championship and offered it to all the sections and many
Speaker:of them participated. They sent their players to Indian Wells and they could play.
Speaker:Tennis, try level tennis while next to a raffa nadal was practicing.
Speaker:Stuff like this and they were this was outstanding and he asked me I was the coordinator for
Speaker:NTRP for the USDA at the time. He asked me if I could help him during this tournament and he gave me
Speaker:the most desirable paths you can have the highest pass in Indian Wells at the B&P is called
Speaker:the Zpass and I was running around with a Zpass and which was great because the Zpass opened every door
Speaker:in Indian Wells. Every suite you could go in and eat and drink. You could go in the women's
Speaker:locker room if you wanted to. I'd never wanted to and I never did of course and it was just the
Speaker:most interesting thing running around with the Zpass was just he felt like god.
Speaker:Or at least like the president or something.
Speaker:I was 10 as an Atlanta. I was a guy. I was a guy. I mean they're playing again. I think we're back
Speaker:getting out of the pre-COVID. They did take a hit during COVID but I think it's come back. People are
Speaker:playing again. Again, I'm with you and what's everybody is trying to figure out how to make the game
Speaker:younger. That's the challenge for Atlanta. This second the new January, I've been here 30 years already.
Speaker:It used to be you got here. Somebody was taking a tennis racket in your hand.
Speaker:Now I think the city is grown up. It expanded. We're going through those kind of growing pains
Speaker:that it is really spread out. The idea of out as we read this past somebody's driving 51 miles to
Speaker:playing out to match. It started to become an issue. I do think this sport itself, I know I'm busy,
Speaker:it can be. I think that the problems we have with our professional event could be solved with a
Speaker:shaded area and maybe not playing in the middle of July in Atlanta. Little things that could go along
Speaker:way. But again, I think the good part about Atlanta is they got it before everybody else. They made it fun.
Speaker:They understood the idea of a team sport, make it recreational. Professional events, you can argue
Speaker:how successful. But you can't argue, as you said, in this is why the concept, you do get fans
Speaker:coming to watch out to matches. That's doing nothing. If you had a bouncy house for the kids,
Speaker:you had adults, something that they could be doing, make them a part of it. It's not outrageous because
Speaker:the core of what we're trying to do is use the commonality of tennis and create more social opportunities
Speaker:for everybody to have fun. We got all the doesn't mean we don't want to have fun. I still want to have fun.
Speaker:Atlanta's always been a little ahead in that capacity. That's why there's two different hats.
Speaker:It's the recreational side of it and the professional side of it. The good news for the professional
Speaker:size, we got 80,000 recreational players. So if you can get some of them to become fans, you're
Speaker:starting with a bigger number than most places have. I remember when I interviewed the president
Speaker:of Altan, they had like a hundred thousand players and USDA had 35,000. Although they might overlap
Speaker:of course. There's a lot of overlap. They're both lying because I don't think anybody's either one
Speaker:of them's got those high numbers. I think Altan's, I think they maxed out it may be mid 80s and then
Speaker:USDA has always been the ugly stepshot. So they're always massaging their numbers, trying to get
Speaker:them a little higher. So they doesn't sound. But we have a flexible play league here, T2, they're
Speaker:probably slots in between them. They probably does more volume. Of course, these repetition
Speaker:in all of them. But they probably do more than USDA for improving upon the little things making it easier,
Speaker:making it a little more flexible. Being a little bit safe, you don't have to be here's 930 on a
Speaker:Saturday and spend five hours. You can make the time you want. And when you're done, you leave.
Speaker:They capitalize on it. So it goes back to, as you said, and I completely agree, I always
Speaker:laughed and we do pro-am events with our students. Everybody, I've always been a fan of making them play.
Speaker:And we would do a five minute exhibition. I've like, guys, the people get the biggest kick out of the
Speaker:fact that we can just keep the ball alive. We're not doing anything spectacular. We're hitting the ball
Speaker:back. And if you can turn and look at them and talk to them, while you're hitting the ball back,
Speaker:they think you're the home club daughters. And it's like, you know, we're not recruiting in the
Speaker:wheel. We get in our own way to take ourselves too seriously. And we're big fans of fun. So we want to
Speaker:encourage the fun. One of the things we're trying to do is improve the transparency of that. So we
Speaker:rich. When you asked, you said, "Well, shouldn't you have more than that?" Because one of the years ago,
Speaker:when you said you interviewed the president of Alted, you remember what year that was? Was it
Speaker:known? Don't remember. Okay, so maybe you've seen us own. Gotcha. Okay. So we looked at the numbers. I think
Speaker:actually the last time we spoke to you, Rich, last year. I looked at the numbers and found about 56,000
Speaker:paid memberships in 2019, with the most recent number I could find for Alted specifically. Now, that
Speaker:doesn't mean there are only 56,000 players. And one of the things we're trying to do, we're going
Speaker:to do, I should say, with Go10S and the podcast here is we're trying to some light on that. Where
Speaker:are the actual players? How much overlap is there? What is everybody doing here? And how do we get
Speaker:everybody to talk to each other? Rather than having it feel so miley, yearly, if I win, you lose,
Speaker:kind of scenario. Well, at the time when I heard these numbers, and I knew the USDA numbers from my work,
Speaker:but when I heard those numbers, I came to the conclusion that at the city of Alanda,
Speaker:as more leak-play as than North and in Southern California together, probably. Yeah. There's no
Speaker:question. And almost to the detriment, they've been really hesitant to go, I mean, as the suburbs
Speaker:have continued to grow, they've been very stringent about keeping their lines. They're just now starting
Speaker:to expand into other areas, going a little further north than me. So we expect those numbers to
Speaker:start going up again because they are just going to take on a greater geographic territory as well,
Speaker:because this is strong. Wouldn't you think that others would be able to copy what they are doing
Speaker:with the subdivisions in Atlanta, the Alta people copy it? Yeah. Well, sure, you can copy it,
Speaker:but no one does. I suggested that to the Southern California Tennis Association,
Speaker:the USDA. Oh, you mean copy it and do it somewhere else? To it in Southern California, because
Speaker:yeah, why not? Tennis courts are disappearing at an alarming rate. The problem there is,
Speaker:you have the extilipid. Do you have the tennis courts in every neighborhood? Is the problem with that
Speaker:is if you do, if the demographic is similar and the courts are that readily available, then sure,
Speaker:I don't know why it wouldn't work. But a lot of people want to do it in an area where everything's
Speaker:a private club or a public park. And if you don't have those, what do we have Bobby maybe 600
Speaker:neighborhood facilities, just the two court facilities that really is just from what we can tell different
Speaker:from anywhere else? Yeah. Well, I suggested that long ago to the Southern California Tennis
Speaker:community. But they do. Absolutely goes to what you're talking about. I'm going to use the word again,
Speaker:pickable real quick. I have a friend who's doing local tournaments in pickable and the sponsors
Speaker:he's bringing out are the local contractors, the local real estate agents, the local dial
Speaker:come in and do your bathroom who are at an extension on because they get a media turnaround and they
Speaker:actually go, hey, they go out, they do the activation and we're going to go to your house and we're going
Speaker:to do the measurements all in one because it's that directly tangible where again, you've got to give
Speaker:Atlanta was just a perfect storm and it came to tennis. I mean, I'll actually started in the 70s
Speaker:and the league itself and it grew a little bit and then when the explosion happened in the early 90s
Speaker:it was ready that the developers to their credit body and wholeheartedly and said, hey, there's something
Speaker:to this, we're going to build every subdivision with at least two light at tennis courts at a bathroom
Speaker:so you can play out here and it just grew incredibly. You know, you had everything online and again
Speaker:20 years ago when we were doing it, it was a lot like what you're talking about with the league.
Speaker:You just had a lot of small guys, you weren't worried about a car sponsor or a Verizon. There was plenty
Speaker:enough to do with people that were directly tangible that had some stake in improving the neighborhood
Speaker:so it was easy back then and the developers got it to their credit, you know, they got it and
Speaker:because like you said, is it more beneficial for them to take those six tennis courts or I had 12
Speaker:tennis courts in my facility. You know, that could have been three formal houses, probably more money for them
Speaker:in the short term to put the four houses up but deousel the other thousand homes that you had
Speaker:without the amenity package that you created for them that is essentially a country club.
Speaker:What did you say earlier that people were putting a tennis racket in your hands?
Speaker:I mean here, you want to get to know people in Atlanta here. It's taken tennis racket. That's the
Speaker:quickest way I was in social and today isn't pickable and paddling put it in your hands.
Speaker:You're right, that is exactly. It's such a different demographic I know it can only speak to here
Speaker:but I'm really surprised that, yes, everybody immediately jumps to the older folks but where we've
Speaker:really I see a big impact is the young high school kids that want to go out. They hang out with
Speaker:their friends, it's almost like pick up basketball when I was growing up. You know, it was it's cheap.
Speaker:If you don't have to be real good or you can be a lot better than you think you are and go out and
Speaker:do run in commentary, do some trash talking and just have some fun and the courts are there.
Speaker:You know, they're already available for you because we had the tennis courts. So that is
Speaker:surprised to me how much the younger kids have taken to it and that'll be the challenge to the future
Speaker:of out in Atlanta is that that generation of high school kids, you know, if they've relocated if they come
Speaker:back here after college, their doctoration is now going to be pickable. Do they gravitate to tennis
Speaker:or you know, how does tennis deal with that 10 years from now? So that'll be the to me the
Speaker:interesting challenge to tennis in is in 10 years when this first generation of pickable is now coming
Speaker:back to work in the metro area not just go to school and you know, do what's associated with being a student.
Speaker:Hey Rich, I want two last things from you. One, I need a men's winner of Indian Wells pick
Speaker:and a women's pick for Indian Wells. You'll be our first, we've got to pick winners of a tournament.
Speaker:This is our new segment. We may only do it once. Yeah, I want Taylor Fritz to win again.
Speaker:Okay, you're it. Here's an in his prime and he's hard to beat right now when especially when
Speaker:Docker which is not there. On the women's side, I'd love for Coco go to go much deeper into the
Speaker:tournament but I doubt that she will be able to beat Ega, not at this point. So my money is on Ega
Speaker:so she'll take it again. Well, there you have it. We want to thank Rejovenate for use of the studio
Speaker:and be sure to hit that follow button. Also, we've been nominated for a podcast award, the best
Speaker:tennis podcast. For more about that, check the show notes and with that, we're out. See you next time.
